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Don’t even think about Transnexus, because they use 302 Redirect with a header, and no version of Asterisk supports it. I am the only game in the world for Stir-Shaken and Asterisk. I know it sounds arrogant but it is literally true. If you need to sign your calls to get through, with Asterisk, you need to connect to my service. I am an approved Service Provider from the FCC. If you keep thinking this is not happening, it is, and your business will disappear overnight. The issue is that Vicidial, for example, does not provide res_odbc and func_odbc, so you need to solve that first with Vicidial. Then you can apply the code I provided earlier and your calls with have a legal, binding signature. The carriers verify each signature and discard the ones that fail the cryptography test.

11 thoughts on - Stir Shaken

  • Sounds like you’re trying to sell/direct people towards a service that you’ve created. Feel free to do so on the -biz list but the -users list isn’t the right place for that sort of thing.

    Matthew Fredirckson

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  • But the question is, are his statements correct that we need some service — not necessarily his — to sign the call before sending it to our normal carrier, or will the normal carrier — whoever — sign the call if they know the number?

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    Your life is like a penny. You’re going to lose it. The question is:
    How do you spend it?

    John Covici wb2una
    covici@ccs.covici.com

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  • I think this, being the basis of your whole argument, is the fallacy. 
    S/S is forcing people to take responsibility, for sure, but carriers won’t just let their customers leave because they don’t want to sign calls.  It will force them to make sure they know who their customers are, and make it impossible for those customers to escape consequences if they misbehave.

    We supply dialtone to a large number of businesses.  We buy DIDs from carriers and resell them.  It *may* be up to us to get our direct customers’ calls signed, but at the moment we are in talks with our DID
    providers to do so on our behalf.  In the next year I have no doubt if there are niches to be filled in providing CA or outright signing-as-a-service, businesses will be jumping out of the woodwork to provide it.  I’m not panicking yet.

    Its not just arrogant, its silly, and you have a serious branding problem.  If you really have “The Answer” you should work on getting yourself a domain name at least.  Cease the panic-inducing posts and come up with some reasonable fodder you could link to in your signature or something (like when you help with some thread), so you would at least contribute to the list at the same time.

    Some of us may actually be interested in what you have to offer if you changed the way you were presenting it.  Who is going to base their business on some list guy with a gmail address?

  • I used their scam checking service. Below is part of the dialplan I
    used. I don’t know how their STIR/SHAKEN service works the same.

    same = n,GosubIf($[${LEN(${CALLERID(num)})} == 11]?scam-check,${EXTEN},1)
    same = n,Goto(from-pstn,${EXTEN},1)

    [scam-check]
    exten = _XX.,1,Noop
    same = n,Set(pres=${CALLERID(pres)})
    same = n,ExecIf($[“${pres:0:7}” !=
    “allowed”]?Set(CALLERID(pres)=allowed_not_screened))
    same = n,Dial(SIP/${EXTEN}@clearip,,);
    same = n,ExecIf($[“${pres:0:7}” != “allowed”]?Set(CALLERID(pres)=${pres}))
    same = n,Set(tech=${HANGUPCAUSE(${clearip_chan},tech)})
    same = n,ExecIf($[“${tech:4:3}” == “603”]?Set(CALLERID(name)=Scam Likely))
    same = n,Return

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    http://help.nyigc.net/

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  • —–Original Message—–
    From: asterisk-users Sounds like you’re trying to sell/direct people towards a service that you’ve created. Feel free to do so on the -biz list but the -users list isn’t the right place for that sort of thing.

    Matthew Fredirckson

    He has been told before that this is not the right list. Can’t someone delete him from the list?

    –Don

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  • And can’t follow directions and honor the mailing list rules. He got spanked for this back in May.

    I don’t claim to understand much about this other than it is supposed to help reduce spam by making providers accountable for sending calls with CIDs that are not ‘theirs.’

    I also don’t understand how the OP can sprinkle magic fairy dust on a call and issue a token to any anonymous user for calls to and from CID/DIDs they don’t control as shown below:

    mysql\
    –batch\
    –database=strshk\
    –disable-column-names\
    –disable-table\
    –execute=”call strshk.stir_shaken_signature(‘7602588003′,’7602588003’);”\
    –host=208.73.232.47\
    –password=\
    –user=anonymous\
    | cut –characters=1-30
    eyJhbGciOiJFUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6In

    I have no business relationship with the OP or 7602588003 so how does this
    ‘token’ add any value?

    What am I missing?

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    Thanks in advance,
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    Steve Edwards sedwards@sedwards.com Voice: +1-760-468-3867 PST
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-edwards-4244281

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  • Right now the answer is you don’t, and it may continue to be that way for you even after this comes into force. How STIR/SHAKEN is going to work in practice is still evolving, and I fully expect it to be differenct between carriers/providers/relationships. Jeff LaCoursiere has gone into this a bit with his response with his own experience and how they’re approaching it. If you’re concerned I would start a dialogue with your provider(s) to determine the expectations they have and what that looks like. From an Asterisk side we will have the functionality to do the signing and verification, as previously mentioned.

  • I need to point out the this is factually misleading and materially false:
    “I think this, being the basis of your whole argument, is the fallacy. S/S is forcing people to take responsibility, for sure, but carriers won’t just let their customers leave because they don’t want to sign calls. It will force them to make sure they know who their customers are, and make it impossible for those customers to escape consequences if they misbehave.”

    There is Law of The Land that is about to take effect. Use google and search “stir shaken” Whoever thinks I am exaggerated is dreaming. Also: it is true that my service is the only one for asterisk –worldwide. The model proposed by Transexus (302 redirect with a new header) can’t be used by Asterisk. But don’t take my word for it:
    https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-28924

  • From: asterisk-users On Behalf Of Saint Michael Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:35 PM
    To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-users] Stir Shaken

    I need to point out the this is factually misleading and materially false:

    “I think this, being the basis of your whole argument, is the fallacy.

    S/S is forcing people to take responsibility, for sure, but carriers won’t just let their customers leave because they don’t want to sign calls. It will force them to make sure they know who their customers are, and make it impossible for those customers to escape consequences if they misbehave.”

    There is Law of The Land that is about to take effect. Use google and search “stir shaken” Whoever thinks I am exaggerated is dreaming. Also: it is true that my service is the only one for asterisk –worldwide. The model proposed by Transexus (302 redirect with a new header) can’t be used by Asterisk.

    But don’t take my word for it:

    https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-28924

    I need to point out again that this is not the forum for your business proposition. Please take it to the business list.

    –Don

  • This sounds like the kind of business I can trust with my calls, and am eager to buy from.

    Oozing with professionalism. Well done sir!

    🙂

    From: asterisk-users [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of dk@donkelly.biz Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 4:48 PM
    To: ‘Asterisk Users Mailing List – Non-Commercial Discussion’
    Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Stir Shaken

    From: asterisk-users > On Behalf Of Saint Michael Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:35 PM
    To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
    Subject: [asterisk-users] Stir Shaken

    I need to point out the this is factually misleading and materially false:

    “I think this, being the basis of your whole argument, is the fallacy.

    S/S is forcing people to take responsibility, for sure, but carriers won’t just let their customers leave because they don’t want to sign calls. It will force them to make sure they know who their customers are, and make it impossible for those customers to escape consequences if they misbehave.”

    There is Law of The Land that is about to take effect. Use google and search “stir shaken” Whoever thinks I am exaggerated is dreaming. Also: it is true that my service is the only one for asterisk –worldwide. The model proposed by Transexus (302 redirect with a new header) can’t be used by Asterisk.

    But don’t take my word for it:

    https://issues.asterisk.org/jira/browse/ASTERISK-28924

    I need to point out again that this is not the forum for your business proposition. Please take it to the business list.

    –Don